Group: alt.politics.economics
From: Jeffrey Turner
Date: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: did the Laissez-faire free market create the perfect storm not seen since the great depression? fear of lending, fear of borrowing, the only instances we have experienced both in modern times are the Great Depression and Japan

royls@ wrote:

> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 18:14:11 -0800, stuff_stuff@ wrote:
>
>
>>On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 02:03:21 GMT, royls@ wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>A sudden rise in price of a particular commodity is not something that requires
>>>>>immediate increase in money supply. Remember, our object in regulating the money
>>>>>supply is to prevent a general rise or fall in the price of goods and services.
>>>>>Since our price target is a basket of goods and services, annual adjustment is
>>>>>sufficient.
>>>>
>>>>LOL.
>>>>
>>>>That was the thinking before the stagflation of the 70's.
>>>
>>>ROTFLMAO!!!
>>>
>>>Uh, actually, it's still the thinking -- of those who have any
>>>knowledge of the subject, and actually know how to think.
>>>
>>>
>>>>You're living in a too simple academic model.
>>>>/oil_graphs/
>>>
>>>?? ROTFLMAO!!!!
>>>
>>>That graph shows nothing of the kind. Any commodity price can show
>>>wild swings, and it says nothing whatever about general price levels.
>>>You are just bloviating. Try to learn the difference between relative
>>>prices and general price levels.
>>
>>You really have no comprehension of what the oil price shock did in
>>the 70s. That's clear.
>
> No, what is clear is that _you_ are ignorant of the fact that the oil
> price shock was just a sudden adjustment to the long-term weakness of
> the US dollar resulting from Nixon's repudiation of gold
> convertibility in 1971.

Rubbish. The . hit peak oil in 1970, and the Arab nations flexed
their muscles over the 1973 Yom Kippur War.

>>Oil ran through the energy prices of all
>>manufacturing, transportation, utilities and the like. Everything
>>spiked.
>
> In fact, it was merely a sudden adjustment to a reality that had been
> coming for decades.

Right.

>>While there's less manufacturing today in the US, it's stupid to think
>>there can't be a similar surprise in some facet of this complex
>>economy.
>
> Of course there can be surprises... to those who don't understand what
> is going on.

Like Friedman?

>>Only a simpleton has the hubris to think they understand some thing as
>>complex as today's global economies.
>
> It's like the weather: While unimaginably complex in its details, the
> global economy follows fundamentally simple laws.

This more 20/20 hindsight talking? I don't think your hindsight is even
that good.

--Jeff

--
It is only those who have neither
fired a shot nor heard the shrieks
and groans of the wounded who cry
aloud for blood, more vengeance, more
desolation. War is hell.
--William Tecumseh Sherman