soc.culture.egyptian

On Aug 4, 1:41 pm, "Guest" wrote:
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> > Dear all,
> > Adrian Dharma Wajaya wrote under the title "This is the barbarians
> > bible verses" accusing that the Bible contains barbarian's verses,
> > for example, Numbers 31:17 "Now therefore kill every male among
> > the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying
> > with him".
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> > Debunking Adrian's accusations as evil intending to detract the truth
> > of God of Jesus as follows:
> > Adrian devilishly omitted the verses 16 and 18 to make the verse 17
> > looks barbaric.
> > Take a reading at Numbers 31:16, 17and 18:
> > Num 31:16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through
> > the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in
> > the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation
> > of the LORD.
> > Num 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones,
> > and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
> > Num 31:18 But all the women, children, that have not known a
> > man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
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> > Verse 16 speaks of the sin committed by the children of Israel
> > through the counsel of Balaam to worship the deity in Peor, East
> > of Jordan; and God plagued the children of Israel for their sin
> > as punishment.
> > Verse 17 speaks of the punishment by God to be inflicted upon
> > the Midianites, the descendants of Abrahams=Hebrews for the
> > seducting the Israelites to sin against God by worship the
> > deity in Peor.
> > Verse:18 speaks of only the women and the female children who
> > had not known men were to be saved.
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> > The Israelites were under the Old Covenant given to Moses- the
> > prophet who received the Law of God namely the 5 books of
> > Moses in the Tanach (Old Testament under the Old Covenant);
> > and the Law of God under Old Covenant demanded such
> > punishment, and the Israelites had to obey God according to
> > the Law of God in order to be saved
> > WHEREAS
> > under the New Covenant given by the prophet, Jesus Christ-
> > the Son of God to the Christians, the Christians are saved not
> > by obeying the Law of God alone in order to be saved for no
> > one was/is sinless for all have fallen short of the glory of God
> > in that all human beings were/are weak in the flesh as all
> > had/have sinned against God, but now Christians are saved
> > by the GRACE(replacing the Law of God) of God which Jesus
> > Christ has the way of Salvation by Grace of God defined in the
> > New Testament of the New Covenant in Bible which consists
> > of the Old and New Testament.
> > The Law of Grace given by Jesus Christ have cancelled the
> > killings of infidels specificied in Mat 22:35 Then one of them,
> > [which was] a lawyer, asked [him a question], tempting him,
> > and saying,
> > Mat 22:36 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
> > Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord
> > thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with
> > all thy mind.
> > Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
> > Mat 22:39 And the second [is] like unto it, THOU SHALT LOVE
> > THY NEIGHBOUR AS THYSELF.
> > Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law
> > and the prophets.
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> > Mohammed claimed that the Muslims were given the Covenant
> > (Old Covenant) of the Jewish people by Allah, but the Quranic
> > Covenant is EMPTY ONE because it does not have the Old
> > Testament which is the Law of God namely the 5 books of Moses
> > WHEREAS
> > The Jews have a Holy Book-Tanach which contains only the Old
> > Covenant WITHOUT THE TESTAMENT THAT SPEAK OF THE
> > RENEWED COVENANT (mentioned in Jeremiah 31:31-4)
> > TEACHING ALL INCLUDING THE JEWS the way to Heaven is by
> > SALVATION OF GRACE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST who forgives
> > those who repent of their sins by confessions to Him (Jesus) that
> > will then on teachs the believers-Christians daily how to walk
> > right with God onwards to Heaven.
> > FOR WITHOUT THE GRACE OF GOD, no one could obey the
> > Law of God without sinning. Since all have sinned, everyone needs
> > forgiveness.
> > AND WITHOUT THE FORGIVENESS OF GOD through Jesus
> > Christ, NO ONE COULD BE FORGIVEN!!!
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> > Amen.
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> Clearly the Torah as it came first. It is the only religion that is not
> forced upon people. Christianity is a cult corruption of Judaism and Islam
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The Torah is obsolete, and has been replaced by the New Covenant.
The priests of the Torah demanded the sacirfice of so doing
they invalidated the OldCovenant established by God, by holocausiting
the innocent Lamb of God.
As a result, their temple was permitted to be destroyed never again to
be rebuilt and the jews were exiled.

Now for a short while they are on trial as they have regained the
land, but the veridct is still to be deterined sine the jews have not
learned to love their neighbors still think Israel has a
chance to survive, but it must grant civil rights to all regardless of
religion. Israel, after all, is a secula nation, and it cannot simply
ignore the rights of the indigenous residents of the land. By doing
so, Israel only breeds everlasting conflict in the area, as we so see
today.

By the same token, since Rome corrupted Christianity beyond
recognition, we have been cursed with Islam as an alternative
religion. Had The Roman Empire made peace with Persia, Muhammed would
never had gained foothold. The intolerance of the religion of early
Roman Christianity alllowed for the birth of Islam. Certain precepts
established by Islam may simply make good sense, but this does not
make the entire book as holy as Islam would have us believe. It is
important to understand how Islam originally came to power.


>From my prespective it was not until the Protestant Reformation before
we were able to come out of the Dark Ages/ the Reformation marked the
era where it was possible for the common man to read the scriptures
for himself and not depend on the authoritative intreprtation of
scripture as promoted by the established churches of the time which
were simply an extension of the government.

Today, it seems that the Precepts of Catholicism, Islam and Judaism
are all outdated.
These great establishments of the past are as obsolete as outdated
sciences and the preinternet the other hand, the New Covenant
of Christ is not obsolete, but it does require us to read the words
of Christ for ourselves in order to porperly gain slavation. These
words are now available to all via the net, so there is no excuse for
any culture not to be aware of the ehtics as taught by Christ. Trying
to solve the Mideast crisis without referring to the NewCovenant willl
never work. The obsolete religions in the Mideast are now broken and
their cultures are paying the price for the sins of these now secular
religions..

The remarkable thing about theUS Constitution is that it is the first
timeI am area that the separtion of Church and State was mandated by
law, and that is because of the fact that governments tend to
adulterate or corrupt religion. It is not to the US interest to defend
the Judaic state of Israel at all costs, especiallyf Israel practices
ethnic discrimination. It is alleged by the Palestininas that such
discrimination is widespread. Yet, why do the Palestinians cry
discrimination when they do it themselves. It requires both sides to
make equal sides deserve what they are getting, uitl
they shape up and do what is righteous in the eyes of God, but nether
side seems to have a clear cut idea of what God wants anymore..because
they are both blinded by a deeply rooted religious hatred of each
other..
US could have cut funds long ago to both sides in order for them to
straighten up, but it is too late now for the US to solve the
we now have is a total mess,

Any religion which is mired with worldly politics is corrupt..