alt.politics.economics

"Mark M." wrote

>>>>Son, you are being inconsistent. If everyone has an individual right
>>>>to use the land (as you have claimed), then A's use of the land may
>>>>prevent B from using it as he wishes, thereby violating B's rights.
>>>
>>>Correct. And how is that inconsistent?
>>
>>
>> Because if everyone has an individual right to use the land, it must
>> be the case that these rights exist simultaneously and extend to every
>> square millimeter of the land in question.
>
> Why? Have you never heard of common rights to use property? If you are a
> member of a club you have the right to use any of the club facilities and
> every other member has the similar right.




But if there is but only one BBQ grill at this club, and I, as a member, am
using it from 4 till 7 pm on Saturday, aren't the other member's right to
use the grill being violated, and if not that harsh, at least denied during
that time? But what if it were the tennis court? What if someone hogged
the tennis court, denying other members their right to use the tennis court?
While you can play couples, you can't play quads.

But let's say it's a club of blueberry growers, we all share a common love
of growing blueberries. There's such a nice batch this year. Someone - a
member - goes out and picks all the blueberries and eats them all (the pig).
Did they not violate the rights of the other club members to the natural
resources, of enjoying the fruits of the club members labor, or the USE of
the blueberries?

And what if that person wasn't a club member? Does that change your answer?




> Is that what happens at a club?


Rights - the absolulte right to use the facilities anytime and in any manner
you chose - are restricted or denied.

And if you do something you are not permitted to do, like whoop out your 7
iron on the putting green and drive the ball into the next fairway leaving a
divot the size of Jersey, well, you may be penalized for violating others
rights to a flat green.




> So it is impossible for every member of a club to have a right to use the
> club's facilities?


At the same time - yes.

And you know that you can't use those facilities in the manner that you may
want to use them, like using your 68 Chevy flatbed as a golf cart, or maybe
playing moto-polo (on dirtbikes) on the 9th fairway, or inviting all your
friends from the trailer park to skinny dip in the club pool.

Boy, join the club and you have very limited rights to use the property. In
fact you join the club to be ALLOWED to use the property. Club dues are
nothing more than rent.



> Think this through. The rights of club members are equal rights not
> absolute rights of exclusion.



Sorry, but they are limited rights, called privleges actually.



> Similarly, the earth's residents enjoy equal rights to use of the earth.

And the dues are nothing more than taxes?


> A club member may use any part of the club when no other member are
> present,


You've already restricted someone's rights right there.



> but is obligated to share space when other members arrive. In a similar
> way, each of us is obligated to share use of the earth with our fellows.
> This sharing is not an abrogation of individual rights, but an affirmation
> of equal rights to the use of the earth.



If everyone had equal rights to the club assets, to use as they please, then
there would be nothing stopping you from drilling for oil on the 17th green.
Or maybe building your house next to the pool. Or maybe excavating for sand
and gravel (you need it for the driveway to your house you are building).

And then it's a CLUB, where non-members are banned from even walking on the
property. Bunch of snobs.


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